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jazilla · Mar 17, 2012, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

x1800 or GF7800 are both ANCIENT cards. Diablo 3 has much higher requirements and on max details those games don't differ in quality that much.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if you could run Windows 7 fluidly on those GPUs.

the people running those cards aren't running Win 7.

Mintha Syl · Mar 17, 2012, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by JONO51

It is over 10 years old now....

10 years in which they only made win7 and only very recently...seeing as vista can't be considered at all...so age in this case doesn't show much.

zwei2stein · Mar 17, 2012, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

Here's hoping it's customer-friendly and not extremely scummy like having a monitoring program running in the background - about the only reason I can think of for dropping support for older OSes that the game already builds against. (and, if that is what ends up happening, NCSoft/ArenaNet won't be getting money from me for GW2, that's for sure, or any more purchases for GW1)

If anything, older OSes are more friendly towards monitoring software - it is just easier to hook stuff, so that is unlikely.

But I am quite interested in what those features actually are. Improved security seems like a good guess.

Abedeus · Mar 17, 2012, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by jazilla

the people running those cards aren't running Win 7.

Frankly if in 2012 you can't run Windows 7, you shouldn't expect any AAA title to work on your PC.

Daesu · Mar 17, 2012, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

Come on, XP is not so old, like half of the population still uses it and every program still supports it...

XP has been around for more than 10 years already. I don't think you can even get free technical support for XP from Microsoft anymore as XP is in Extended Support now.

In another 2 more years XP will not be supported by Microsoft at all, meaning no more security patches, etc. This means if there are any newly discovered security holes, your computer would be open to all kinds of attacks that exploit those holes. You would be on your own.

Do Urden · Mar 17, 2012, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

On anything but Ultimate?

Virtual PC requires Win 7 Ultimate which makes it a lot more expensive then running a separate box with windows 98 - or multi-booting...

Running it with win 7 professional (service pack 1, 64 bit) in compatibility mode for windows xp like i do for system shock 2. But yes, you're completely right. It's cheaper to run it in a separate box or multi-boot.

eevee13 · Mar 17, 2012, 10:16 PM // 22:16

I'm amazed even that many people still play GW on those old OS's. XP I can understand...but 98 and ME? O_O

Kelvin Greyheart · Mar 18, 2012, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

Come on, XP is not so old, like half of the population still uses it and every program still supports it...

http://www.shatteredhorizon.com/

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MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS
Shattered Horizon requires DirectX 10 on Windows Vista or Windows 7. There is no support for Windows XP or DirectX 9.

This is but one example, and it's going to get far more common. You cannot guarantee that future titles will have dx9 support. You also sacrifice a ton of features by using xp, namely the lack of 64 bit support. No 64 bit xp does not count. It's a horror story waiting to be written if you want drivers. XP is serviceable for the moment, but even corporate environments are drifting away from it.

**cosyfiep** · Mar 18, 2012, 05:01 AM // 05:01

I had ME on my old laptop...loved the dang thing...went kicking and screaming to xp, where I will stay since I HATE vista and 7 (and yes, we have them on one laptop that my hubby uses for work--I hear such profanities when he uses it!)....have NO intentions of changing off xp (heck my laptop is still sp1!..so it wont be able to play gw2, ah shucks, since it can barely play eton anyways.--and no I wont upgrade).

(not a fan of changing things--hate it when the bank gets taken over and changes its name ---)

refer · Mar 19, 2012, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

They have, or had, a contract - which they have now broken by dropping support for system with requirements that they originally promised to support.

It is something people will - and should - remember and take into consideration when considering buying another product. Ending their contract with non-NT users may have little consequences, ending support for XP (and Win2k) would.

i was only talking about 95, 98, me.

Voodoo Rage · Mar 20, 2012, 12:58 AM // 00:58

My last PC (which my daughter still plays GW on) was originally set up with Vista but I actually rolled it back to XP and it runs like lightning comparatively. Hopefully, while not "supported" GW will continue to work on that computer.

Haggis of Doom · Mar 20, 2012, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

On anything but Ultimate?

Virtual PC requires Win 7 Ultimate which makes it a lot more expensive then running a separate box with windows 98 - or multi-booting...

I've been able to run that thing on both Vista and Win7 in compatibility mode, without any sort of Virtual PC.

Though there were a few crashes... maybe I should look into this background sky files thingy nedm mentioned.

Sirius-NZ · Mar 20, 2012, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by akelarumi

But on the other side of realism, I totally understand why they withdraw the support. This doesn't mean however it will stop working instantly on that date. It means when they make new builds or updates they won't test it on a windows 95 pc if it works. So a good change that if you still living underneath a rock in bikinibottom you can still play GW.

This doesn't look like the case. The versions they're phasing out are all the non-NT-kernel 32-bit versions of Windows (16-bit, i.e. 3.1 and older, obviously was never supported to start with). This most likely indicates they want to use some APIs that are only available in NT-kernel versions of Windows (NT4, 2000, XP and onwards). That would mean the game probably wouldn't even start in any of the 9x OSes.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

x1800 or GF7800 are both ANCIENT cards. Diablo 3 has much higher requirements and on max details those games don't differ in quality that much.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if you could run Windows 7 fluidly on those GPUs.

I've been running Windows 7 on a laptop with an X1250 for years. Its requirements are actually fairly light (as they should be, it's an OS - not a video game).

Kunder · Mar 20, 2012, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

My last PC (which my daughter still plays GW on) was originally set up with Vista but I actually rolled it back to XP and it runs like lightning comparatively. Hopefully, while not "supported" GW will continue to work on that computer.

If you bought it with Vista pre-installed it was probably slow because all retailers load it with junkware that slows everything down.

Gill Halendt · Mar 20, 2012, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

I've been running Windows 7 on a laptop with an X1250 for years. Its requirements are actually fairly light (as they should be, it's an OS - not a video game).

Same here, my ultraportable 11.6" laptop runs on a low consumption Athlon L110. The GPU is an integrated X1270. Windows 7 runs just fine, even with Aero turned on.

Not sure wether dropping support constitutes a breach of contract. Software licences usually include clauses about continued support and the possible requirement of upgrades in case of additions and updates to the software.

Software is provided as-is and you're licensed to use it as long as the software house allows you to. They usually take limited or no responsibility at all if changes over time to the software break it for you.

From the GW User Agreement:

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11. DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY

THE SERVICE, THE SOFTWARE, THE ACCOUNT, THE GAMES, CAMPAIGNS AND ALL OTHER SERVICES ARE PROVIDED ON AN "AS IS" BASIS, PROVIDED AT YOUR OWN RISK, AND TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, NC INTERACTIVE HEREBY EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, WRITTEN OR ORAL, EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF TITLE, NONINFRINGEMENT, MERCHANTABILITY, QUIET ENJOYMENT, ACCURACY, OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Without limiting the foregoing, NC Interactive does not ensure continuous, error-free, secure or virus-free operation of the Service, the Software, your Account or the Game(s), and you understand that you shall not be entitled to refunds for fees based on NC Interactive's failure to provide any of the foregoing.

Stéphane Lo Presti · Mar 20, 2012, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by akelarumi

But on the other side of realism, I totally understand why they withdraw the support. This doesn't mean however it will stop working instantly on that date. It means when they make new builds or updates they won't test it on a windows 95 pc if it works. So a good change that if you still living underneath a rock in bikinibottom you can still play GW.

I just wanted to make it clear that past June 14, Guild Wars will actually no longer work on these systems.

Lykan · Mar 20, 2012, 04:46 PM // 16:46

Daesu · Mar 20, 2012, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

"...TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW ..."

A software company can not just say 'at your own risk' like a conman would. You really shouldn't bend over so easily.

It is just not going to happen. I just can't see Microsoft supporting IBM DOS 1.0, I mean comon, how many security patches they need to maintain to support ALL of their OSes. I think all their staff would be too busy to come up with any new products then and their technology would stand still.

No software company, in their right minds, would do that. After Aug 2014, XP would not be supported anymore.

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

(not a fan of changing things--hate it when the bank gets taken over and changes its name ---)

At the risk of sounding philosophical, change is the only constant in this universe. As long as we still live in this same universe, we would have to change regardless of whether we like it or not.

Kunder · Mar 20, 2012, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

"...TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW ..."

A software company can not just say 'at your own risk' like a conman would. You really shouldn't bend over so easily.

Well, the maximum extent would be the retail price of a GW game. Go ask a lawyer what their hourly rate for a lawsuit against a large corporation is and I think you will find the upgrade to Windows 2000 or later to be much more palatable.

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It just occurred to me, the box is still for sale on the shelves, and given it's position, it is still sold in reasonable numbers. With, I assume this hasn't changed, Win98/ME as a possible system on the box. Would you, or the retailers, somehow refund for the .05% that buys it and can't get it to work after the first update?

That's SOP for any product that doesn't perform to specifications, of course they will*.

*unless they get bought out by Sony.

**cosyfiep** · Mar 20, 2012, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by Stéphane Lo Presti

I just wanted to make it clear that past June 14, Guild Wars will actually no longer work on these systems.

wow....I certianly hope you dont expect that .x% to buy gw2 (even though most of them dont have computers that meet the requirement---)...I would not upgrade JUST to play a video game.